hi guys
how do you tell the two apart ?
on what i think is the V.I.N plate it has type 1 then a number !
but i thought that the type 1 was an oval rear window !
so any info would be great
many thanks
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Juju

Rob and Dave's Web Site refers to the vehicles as:

              Beetles are Type 1

              Bus is Type 2

              Squareback is Type 3

They referenced the Types to specific year models so not sure the Type is still the same in some different years.  Must be someone in our knowledgeable membership that can explain more specifically. Help me guys?

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MY72BUG
OK class, open your John Muir (  How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive ) to chapter XVI.  Old John gives a blow by  blow description of Type numbers and model numbers.   Type 1 was the  designation originally given to the Beetle when the project for a People's car was conceived in the '30's.  So it evolved like this:
Type 1 - Standard Bug sedan, Super Beetle, Ghia, Thing, Convertible
Type 2- Transporter, Camper, Kombi, Station Wagen, commercial van derivatives
Type 3- Fastback, Squareback(Varient), Sedan
Type 4 - Two door and four door sedans and Station Wagon (411 )

From here it goes on and becomes much more complicated.  In the parts numbers you find nine digit codes 000-000-000.  The first three numbers designate the model for which the part is intended.  111 is the original standard bug sedan, 113 is the deluxe sedan, 115 is the sunroof model rag top style, 117 is the sliding metal sunroof type, 141 is the Karmann-Ghia convertible, 143 the coupe, 151 the beetle convertible, 181 the Thing.  Thus the great German web site to record everything about the Beetle Convertible is " Typ 15.com" .   There are further complications to this.  Prior to 1971 convertibles were model 1500.  When they went to the Super Beetle for convertible production the 1972 was designated model 1302 ( my 72 bug) but after that models were designated as 1303's.   It reminds you of the old saying-  And little bugs have lesser bug upon their backs to bite 'em, and so on and so on ad bloody infinitim.    MY 72 BUG   Dan in Goderich

I'd rather have a partial bottle in front of me than a partial frontal lobotomy.
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thanks alot great lot of light shed on it now !!
will have to get the V.I.N no. again car is at dads waiting to be done up ! sat in grey primmer at the mo! so next time i am down there will pick up the vin no.
many thanks !
will get some pics of it soon !

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Wayne

Here's a list of VINs from SuperBeetles.com that you can refer to.

 

http://www.superbeetles.com/chassis.htm

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out of all those vin no's mines not there!!!

mine is 118407*** so if any one can find out any more info on it that would be cool !!!
many thanks


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k9ofstrikex
I too could use some help determining the type of my vehicle. It is a '64 Beetle chassis, which according to Mr. Muir should not have a 1600cc engine, which that combined with the fact that my engine is unstamped, leads me to believe that it is not stock. Since it is unstamped, I have yet to figure out how to determine what type drive train I have (which due to a pending replacement of a crapped out tranny, I believe would be very useful and necessary to know). So if anyone can help me out, it would be greatly appreciated, as I mentioned above, it is a 1600cc block (actual displacement of 1641cc) and I have been told that it is a dual port...
Thanks,
Beau
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Wayne
Yes it is... A 118 is a 1968 Standard Beetle.

k9ofstrikex, your Beetle should have come with a 1200 or 1300cc engine. Can you see a casting number under the alternator/generator stand?
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k9ofstrikex

No sir, that part of the engine is blank, and it doesn't appear that there was ever anything stamped there...

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k9ofstrikex

Can anybody at least tell me what transmission I should be looking for and how to tell the difference between the IRS and Swingaxle?

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MY72BUG
Actually both versions are IRS ( independent rear suspension ) the real difference is between swingaxle and driveaxle.   1968 and back are swingaxle.  If you examine them, there is a flexing end only at the transmission end of the axle.  The whole axle flexes up and down causing the tire to move in an arc.  This was deemed " unsafe " by the likes of Ralph Nader.  There was a perceived problem that VW rear wheels tended to " tuck in " as the rear suspension travelled up and down and in hard cornering.  In 1969 they went to the driveaxle model.  If you crawl under and get a view of this you will see a pair of short drive shafts with constant velocity joints at each end.  There are rubber accordion boots over these CV joints.  This design keeps the tire at a consistent 90 degree angle to the road.  As for your engine, if there are no numbers stamped on the case  under the generator / alternator mount it must be an aftermarket unit.  This number is not your VIN number it is only the engine serial number.  As Wayne has said, your 118.....  is a 1968 Standard Beetle.  The engine could be anything as they all fit your car and finding that your original engine has been swapped out is almost a given with Beetles.  I don't know how they differ but the tranny for a drive axle ( 1969-80) and that for a swing axle  (1961-1969)  are different creatures.  CIP 1 sells the older swing axle unit's case part # VWC-081-301-513 but does not list one for the newer Drive axle model.  They also have a pile of other parts for both trannies.  So look to the drive shafts to determine what you actually have.  The 1968 should be the older swing axle model with no flexing joint out at the wheel, but I have learned never to bet the farm on what you will find has been done to your car over the years.  Bodies can be swapped onto different chassis.  Good luck with the project.  I happen to have  a complete tranny and another one in pieces both  for a drive axle model  (MY72BUG) if you can manage the trip to Goderich, Ontario.  Dan in Goderich
I'd rather have a partial bottle in front of me than a partial frontal lobotomy.
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k9ofstrikex

Thank you, your post is very informative and helpful!  Unfortunately, the trip to Ontario would take me about 1day and 18hours even if I never slept, ate, or got gas, so I think I'll have to find a more local solution, but thanks for the offer!

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MY72BUG
No sweat.  If yours is a swing axle, as it should be for a 1968, my trannies would not be right anyway.  Go to the Samba.com VW website.  I saw where one guy was selling a swing axle model transmission for $ 50.  Depending on just how terminal your unit is, a deal like this might be your best bet even if it costs a few bucks to ship it.  Manual transmissions have incredible lifespans if treated with a little kindness.  What you are searching for is a pretty common unit.  It should not be that hard to find one.  Dan ( MY72BUG) in Goderich
I'd rather have a partial bottle in front of me than a partial frontal lobotomy.
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